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Changes to the shared custody calculation
« on: March 13, 2012, 09:39:32 PM »
Five things should change in the shared residency calculation

1.) remove the language about using a parenting time adjustment for shared custody.  A 15% adjustment is nowhere near appropriate for this case.
2.) direct expense percentages need further review (13/15/18%) should be more like (10/12/14%).  The reason is that expenses for TVs and computers have been included.  Unless the child takes their TV, play station, wii, and desktop computer with them from home to home, there needs to be further adjustment for this)
3.) direct expenses should be alternated annually between parents.  A full year is required to realize the full financial burden/benefit.  First hear parent A pays them, second year parent B pays them.  Child support will be modified commensurate with this arrangement. (A-B)/2 will stay the same, but the %DE term will change from parent to parent.  That means that one parent pay pay one year, but the other parent pays the second year.  It's fair!
4.) sharing direct expenses should be encouraged rather than discouraged.  The language stating which method is preferred, should be removed.
5.) a worksheet should be created for shared custody and filed with the worksheet to show how the values were calculated.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 01:07:08 PM »
References to Custody and Financial Matters would be most helpful if they were in alignment and remained in alignment with the Federal Tax Code.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 08:27:50 PM »
A quick question regarding your (@Guru) statement regarding needed changes.  First of all, from what I understand, you believe that the rchild support credit for direct expenses should be reduced.  What happens when the child support paying house does not have the items you listed, but the child support receiving house has them or wants them.  For example, we do not have cable and have not had it since 2006 because it is too expensive.  Should I have to provide these items directly or financially compensate for items that are not available in my home?

And in your suggested changes, what happens if parent receiving support cannot be trusted to pay direct expenses?  If they have never reimbursed and shared expenses or never paid their portion of Parent Evals (Spiridigliozzi X2), or never paid off credit cards they ran up and were ordered to pay? 

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 10:23:30 PM »
Dad,

I think you may have misunderstood both the 2012 child support guidelines and my suggested changes to them.  I know there is a lot to read and understand about the inner workings of the guidelines so I'll try to clarify below.  I know this is covered a little more on other posts here.

Basically for shared residency, they paying parent pays 2 different sums of money to the receiving parent.  1 - paying parent usually makes more money than the other parent, so the paying parent pays 1/2 the difference between their respective shares of child support.  So if the paying parent shows to be responsible for $400, and the receiving parent, $100, 1/2 the difference is $150. 2 - (this is what your question is about), gives the receiving parent a portion of child support specifically for direct expenses.  Currently, the receiving parent will receive 13%, 15%, or 18% of the total child support from the tables depending on income.  What I think is right is those percentages should be lower (resulting in a lower child support being paid by the paying parent).  DE% is no longer a credit, but is actually the amount being paid.  This does lead to a more accurate calculation.  I hope this answers your question regarding my opinion that direct expense percentages should be lower.

I think your other question deals with sharing expenses directly.  I don't agree with either parent being required to pay for something like cable TV.  That is a luxury and should be strictly up to each parent.  I think there needs to be a very clear understanding (and it should be included in the guidelines), what direct expenses are.

If one parent neglects to pay for direct expenses when they are supposed to, I think there should be a 3 strike rule.  You are caught not providing 3 times, then you will officially be the one paying support from there on out.  Both parents need to be responsible and provide.  I just don't think that paying support to allow one parent to provide is the right way to do it.  Both parents should be able to decide how money is spent when the child is in their home.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 08:53:17 PM »
Dad,

Remuneration for previous Orders not being followed such as Court Ordered Shared Expense Reimbursement and Unpaid Credit Card Bills are separate legal actions from a Motion to Change Child Support.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 10:15:34 PM »
I pay child support and receive an 18% deduction for paying all direct expenses (including clothing).  Direct expenses were defined by case manager as food, clothing, school & entertainment.  I am sure the judge did this because of Mom's consistent lack of paying expenses, reimbursing expenses or using appropriated funds as ordered.  If DE percentages change then I would be paying more CS and the funds directly available to the children would decrease.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 11:01:49 PM »
Wow, that sounds pretty creative on the part of the CM and the judge.  You may need an attorney who knows more about child support.

1.) the 13/15/18% values are not reductions/credits to the child support bottom line, they are the percentage paid.  They are only valid for shared custody.
2.) the above percentages are 1/2 of what the actual direct expenses are.  Therefore, if the judge wanted to correctly adjust for DE, he should have given you a 36% discount.  But this also assumes you have such low parenting time that you are not eligible to receive a parenting time adjustment or shared custody treatment
3.) assuming you have shared custody/residency, the 18% adjustment is even lower than the previous 20% adjustment, which was a completely bogus number anyway.

Again assuming you have shared custody, you should do a worksheet to determine how much each parent should be responsible for paying.  Then you take the higher - lower, and divide by 2.  This should be paid.  Then since you are paying all the DE, she should then pay you for her portion of DE, which would reduce your CS a little.  HOWEVER, if you read the guidelines, the aren't quite that fair the CS payors.  Instead what it says is that you would simply zero out that value.  So, you would be left paying (higher-lower)/2.  Then you would pay for all the DE including things at her home.

Granted I don't know the details of your case, but from my outsider perspective, there's been some creative math done on the part of the judge. Sounds to me like you might be getting hosed.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2012, 08:53:10 PM by Guru »

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2012, 08:53:46 PM »
To clarify, I have shared custody (week on-week off to be exact).  Pro Rata is 89%/ 11%.  My child support obligation is multiplied by .5 to allow for shared parenting.  It is further reduced by total child support obligation x 18% and I pay all DE. 

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2012, 10:11:01 PM »
Have you tried entering your information into the child support worksheet available here: http://kschildsupportforum.com/kansas-child-support-calculators-and-forms/kansas-2012-child-support-calculator-free!/ ??

If you take, for example, income proportions of 89% and 11%, first you take (89%-11%)/2 which is 39%.  So you'd pay 39% of the child support from the tables, which would constitute the first portion of your obligation. Then an adjustment is made depending on which parent pays DE.  In your case, you would receive an additional 18% credit.  This leaves your total obligation at 39%-18% or 21% of the child support from the tables.  So if the tables say the total support needed for your child is $2000, you would pay $420 (plus enforcement fees) in addition to providing all DE.  Hopefully that helps.

Let us know if that is how the judge has ordered in your case or not.  The above method is per the current guidelines.

« Last Edit: October 28, 2012, 03:34:35 PM by Guru »

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 09:27:35 AM »
I have not tried to enter the info in the calculator.  I will and see if it is the same as what the judge comes up with and congruent with your calculations as well.  Our hearing was Oct. 5 and he has yet to make a ruling on extraordinary expense.  I really appreciate this information. 

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 03:49:04 PM »
Dad,

I am not sure which "calculator" you are going to use. Maybe more than one. But, for a comparison to what the Court used refer to the link here in the "Child Support Calculators "topic folder. "Bradley Software Redoux".

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2012, 05:07:36 PM »
Dad,

Please excuse my second post here. I do not have the ability to edit previous posts.

I think it is important to note that the Kansas Child Support Guidelines contain specific rules which limit when you can file for a change in your Child Support Order. If as you have stated, the Court has left the door open for you to have an additional hearing regarding "Extraordinary Expenses" you will have a bit of work to do to prove that door was left open and a modification request may be limited to that aspect alone. If you have been Ordered to pay a specific amount and the Child Support Worksheet document has been filed with the Court which did not include any adjustment for "Extraordinary Expenses" than a decision was in effect made by the Court.

Kansas Child Support Guidelines state the following:

Section V. CHANGE OF CIRCUMSTANCES
V.A. Courts have continuing jurisdiction to modify child support orders to
advance the welfare of the child when there is a material change of
circumstances.
V.B. In addition to changes of circumstances which have traditionally been
considered by courts, any of the following constitute a material change of
circumstances to warrant judicial review of existing support orders:
V.B.1. 10% Rule: Change of financial circumstances of the parents or the
guidelines which would increase or decrease by 10% the amount shown
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on Line F.3 of the worksheet, except that the income from a second job
taken by the parent not having primary residency shall not alone be
considered a material change of circumstances to warrant a modification
of the parent’s child support obligation. Income from bonuses not shown
to be regularly paid by the employer shall not be considered a material
change of circumstances to warrant a modification of the parent’s child
support obligation.
An increase in the gross income of the parent having primary residency is
not a material change of circumstances for the purpose of increasing the
child support obligation.
A parent shall notify the other parent of any change of financial
circumstances including, but not necessarily limited to, income, workrelated
child care costs, and health insurance premiums which, if changed, could constitute a material change of circumstances.
V.B.2. Duty to Notify: In the event of a failure to disclose a material
change of circumstances, such as the understatement, overstatement, or
concealment of financial information, as a result of such breach of duty,
the court may determine the dollar value of a party’s failure to disclose,
and assess the amount in the form of a credit on the Line F.3 child support
amount or an amount in addition to Line F.3 child support amount. The
court may also adopt other sanctions.
Upon receipt of written request for financial information, a parent shall
have thirty days within which to provide the requested information in
writing to the other parent. Refusal to provide the requested information
may make the non-complying parent responsible for the costs and
expenses, including attorney fees, incurred in obtaining the requested
information.
V.B.3. Age Change: The child is in a higher age group as a result of
having passed the child’s 6th or 12th birthday, or because the child’s ages
place them in the higher age group as a result in the change in the
guidelines.
V.B.4. Court Ordered Emancipation or as provided by Kansas Statute.
V.B.5. Incarceration or Termination from Employment: Termination from
employment for incarceration shall not constitute a material change of
circumstances that justifies a reduction in child support.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2012, 08:30:24 PM »
Regardless of whether the "door" was left open or not, if the court erred in their calculation of child support per the current guidelines, you have every right to file a motion to modify child support.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2012, 09:21:06 PM »
Guru -

I do not believe that your statement, "Regardless of whether the "door" was left open or not, if the court erred in their calculation of child support per the current guidelines, you have every right to file a motion to modify child support." is consistent with Legal Statutes in the State of Kansas.

If you are an attorney giving your legal opinion than say so. If not. Do not make statements of fact without full and specific knowledge of the law and legal process.

Dad - If you did not file a Motion to challenge or reconsider the Courts findings within 10 days after the hearing on October 5th, I believe that you may be stuck with the decision/Orders as filed until/unless you have a qualified reason under the Kansas Child Support Guidelines for filing a new motion.

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Re: Changes to the shared custody calculation
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2012, 09:37:54 PM »
thank you to all of the in the order came in today. I have been ordered to pay over 1400 dollars a month in child support. all direct expenses. and over 400 dollars a month in an extraordinary expense.  the judges calculations were not done with the software. rather they were done by hand.  If you would like a copy of it please message me. from my understanding I have 14 days to file an appeal from the date of the order. the appeal will be filed tomorrow. in the meantime my wages be garnished at over 1400 dollars a month.