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jc2011

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Young Williams???
« on: October 14, 2013, 04:01:52 PM »
Is there information or posts anywhere else on this site about this recent private company taking over the support enforcement for the state of Kansas?  If not, there is a LOT that I have to say.  First, letters were supposed to have gone out to recipients that alerted them to this change as the district court trustee will no longer be handling any IV cases any longer, which after many conversations with the CALL CENTER God knows where in the US about this a few weeks ago is a MAJOR problem that will affect everyone.  I'd like to discuss this - and since there is no information online, I had hoped something would be here.  Let me know.  If not, I'd like to ask some questions to see if anyone has some answers for me.  This is a very upsetting issue that has come up.  Apparently, after having spoken with this new company- I was informed that they do NOT hold hearings for contempt for non-payment if ANY money a month is paid in support by non-custodial parent.  The woman literally told me "well you have income witholding" - yeah, I do.  For under $800 less than the ORDER of the support.  I asked "well, does that mean that if he pays $5/month then you will not ask the courts to hold a contempt hearing (as the district court trustee did previously?).  That's correct, ma'am.  Unfortunately, we will not ask for a hearing if an income witholding order is in place. We can't make him work more.  There is nothing else we can do." 

Well, no- you can't make him work more, but you could ask for a JUDGE to hear it  as contempt- as the trustee was doing. At least a JUDGE can ask questions like "why aren't you fulfilling your order?" or have weekend jail time, or SOME motivator to make payments of support.  These folks just told me that if I get ANYTHING, they will not chase it down for the rest.  He's "paying."  I was then told I could transfer BACK to the court trustee account, but this avenue is the only one that can do a tax intercept (which has been the only way I've received any significant payments). 

I feel crushed.  I knew that this would be an 18 year battle before, but now- I feel like literally this is TRULY hopeless. 

I make too much money for any assistance of any kind from the state.  Therefore, the only assistance I could receive would be enforcement support.  So, this new company acquisition may very well help people that receive NONE of their support, but does NOTHING for those that receive a DOLLAR a month. 

It's almost like they are fufilling a quota of ACCOUNTS where support is paid, not DOLLARS.  Unbelieveable.  And when were they going to tell people that I would speak to horribly inconsiderate and cold human beings in a call center somewhere when discussing my financial survival involving a CHILD?!?!

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Re: Young Williams???
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 09:02:54 PM »
In my recollection, I don't believe there's another thread about the "call center" you're speaking of.  So, this is news to me.  Hopefully others will respond with their experience.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but what do you hope a contempt judgement to accomplish in your case?  Another question, do you have an attorney to help you figure out all the numbers involved or are you relying on the state to take your case?



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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 09:16:53 PM »
Nobody in the STATE has had issues with the child support enforcement becoming privatized in last month?!?  Maybe because they didn't know.  Whole different issue.

Yes, I have an attorney.  I was hoping (being that I am owed tens of thousands in past due support) that the district court trustees office would continue to "monitor" the case and at least have hearings where someone is noting the rationale as to non-support in fulfilling the obligation.  They have already done a few bench warrants, etc.

Yes, I could continue to pay an attorney for going after him, but the (best that we were going to get) system of the trustees office did that FOR me before.  I don't have money to go to court and at least have someone chase him down.

My issue is that the enforcement service will not push this because "something" is being received.  I was advised by counsel to either wait for next tax intercept (since I have to be with this service to get that service) and THEN transfer back over to district court trustee (closing state case) so that contempt hearings will commence.

The "call center" is this:

http://www.afscmeinfocenter.org/privatizationupdate/2013/09/kansas-to-privatize-child-support-collections.htm

And on the welcome page of the district court trustee page:
http://courttrustee.jocogov.org/


There was never an explanation for any of this and what it really means.  All I've read is some political stuff about Brownbecks buddies.  I can't do anything about any of it but understand how it affects me. And so far NEGATIVELY.

My attorney told me to contact my congressman (Swear to you).  Said this is a HORRIBLE thing that has happend and has thrown a wrench in THOUSANDS of cases.

Hell, a person at the district court trustees office (where they said I can no longer access my case through them) said to write to congressman too!  Said that I was preaching to the choir and that I was the 43rd person they spoke with today. I asked when we would be notified of this change- they said "Our understanding is that we were told families would receive letters in the mail."  I said "I didn't."  They said "It doesn't surprise me at all."

HELP!!  So confused, so upset. Am I the only one???

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 10:37:52 AM »
To prevent confusion I am posting the notice from the Johnson County Trustees Office Website for reference.

This does not effect my case and "12,000 others". So, it may be appropriate/important to address what a Title IV-D case/program (roughly 43% of cases) is and why those cases are being handled differently. Could it have something to do with the Federal funding problem?

Effective Monday, September 16, 2013 child support enforcement services for some Johnson County orders are changing. If either parent is enrolled in child support services through the Kansas Dept of Children and Families (Title IV-D program) your enforcement services will be provided by a new child support enforcement company called Kansas Child Support Services. Approximately 9000 cases are involved in this transfer of services to Kansas Child Support Services. This company has caseworkers and attorneys assigned to help parents and families with support cases managed by the Dept of Children and Families. You can contact Kansas Child Support Services by calling the Dept. of Children & Families call center at 1-888-757-2445. Kansas Child Support Services will have offices opening at 500 N Rogers Road, Olathe, KS on September 16, 2013.

Support enforcement services for all other Johnson County support cases, currently more than 12,000 cases, will continue to be monitored and enforced through the District Court Trustee Office. This office has been managing support cases and enforcing the court support order since 1972. The same quality services provided to children and families over the past 42 years remain available through this office.

All court review hearings and contempt hearings will continue to be conducted before the Hearing Officers at the same locations in the Johnson County Courthouse in Olathe, KS.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 10:44:24 AM »
Why is the subject of this post titled Young Williams???? It would seem more appropriate to label it "Federal IV-D program" changes.
(Program details posted here below from the Johnson County Court Trustee's Website.)

This appears to be a program of punitive measures for Federal enforcement of Child Support Orders.

Federal IV-D Program

Participation in the Federal IV-D Program adds additional enforcement tools for collection of current child support and past due support.

There is no charge to enroll in this program but you must contact DCF and complete an application form. The Johnson County DCF phone number is 1-888-757-2445. Some additional enforcement actions available through the IV-D Program include:

(a) Notification of delinquencies to credit bureaus and agencies;

(b) Interception of federal and state income tax refunds for the collection of past due support;

(c) Interception of a portion of unemployment compensation for the collection of current and past due support;

(d) Additional assistance in the location of absent parents;

(e) Ability to file interstate enforcement actions if the absent parent moves to another state.

(f) Denial of Kansas Wildlife and Parks fishing and hunting licenses, tags, park and boat permits;

(g) Denial of US passport to applicants owing back child support;

(h) Restrictions on drivers license for non-payment of support.

Should you need additional information on the IV-D program or other DCF services, please consult their web page at:  http://www.dcf.ks.gov/Pages/Default.aspx

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 11:55:14 AM »
Yes- the websites will list this as something that is very much the same thing, although it is not. 

You'll even notice how the Court Trustees office incorporates some PR language about their "years of service" since so many lost their jobs and were handling the cases as best as they could (and in a more personal matter in dealing with families) than this new compan(ies).

Aside from what is said on the sites, even though the governor said that families would receive letters- they are not.  Seems only people who realize what a bad deal this is are the attorneys that have had to encounter it so far and the people that have had to deal with hateful, (truly), people in the CALL CENTER that is the new enforcement (not even in kansas).

They will NOT enforce any harder than the original CSS did- in fact, less.  They offer the same services, but do not have attorneys housed within the offices of the court trustee any longer, so it is not in their best interest to send someone and actually hold contempt hearings or follow the cases as closely inside the court room becuase that means money put out to GO to these hearings. 

The woman at the new office even told me that they will not request these hearings unless they are already in motion through the original CSS or District Court trustee- that is not "how they operate"

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 12:13:33 PM »
It seems that since the Title IV-D Federal program was optional and required a party to apply for assistance that one option would be to file for a Child Support Modification with the District Court and request the past due unpaid Child Support amount be considered when calculating the new support amount and change in the withholding Order. That may allow your old Order to be re classified as one that would no longer be under the Title IV_D Federal umbrella and bring it back to your Court Trustees Office.

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2013, 10:14:20 PM »
Young Williams could be an appropriate subject line, they won the bid!  They are the ones in charge of setting all this up.  I haven't had a chance to call them yet since they took over my case, but calling won't help.  I liked where my case was.  I enjoyed working with the trustee's office and them bringing him in to answer as to why he isn't paying along with being signed up with the Federal program and having them intercept tax returns (HA, if he filed ever!) and the list of others they were able to do.  The trustee's office isn't able to just do those as the Federal program is.  Not to mention logging on to my case and keeping track along with the trustee how much he owes, it helped seeing we were on the same page.  Now I have nothing to go off of, I can only call and see what amount they have and before the trustee's office our amounts were never the same. Since the switch, the trustee's office still adds each month the child support but no one is putting in the few payments I get so now our numbers don't even match anymore.  I am not getting any services so I am able to request to stop going through the program and go back to the trustee's office but then I wouldn't get the list of services that go with it.  That stinks!  I did call right after the switch, I did get through right to someone, my question was even though the trustee's office wasn't on my case anymore if I was still able to file pro se my medical bills and child support interest without them. She said I was but I haven't yet.  Since all this I have moved to a different county and am debating if it's worth the hassle of moving my case.  I used to be in a county that didn't have a trustee's office and was able to work with SRS and my case went nowhere!  GRRRR here I go again lol!

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 09:05:26 AM »
I had no idea who Young Williams is/was. Thanks for the explanation ksmom3.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2013, 05:17:49 PM »
I was informed of the change to Young Williams via mail but also by the County Attorney of Leavenworth who I was working directly with due to an erroneous double garnishment.  I believed the Leavenworth attorneys were acting as paid attorneys, representing mom instead of public interest to make sure the children were supported which caused significant additional litigation, inefficiencies, etc. 

My question is this:  if I am the paying parent and mom is represented by Young Williams for child support litigation, can I request representation by Young Williams for mom's non-payment of pro-rata expenses such as medical and her appeal on the order for her to pay back expenses owed?


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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2014, 04:52:10 PM »
I know as a payer, I am less than impressed. My case is an interstate case from Minnesota. Just received a letter from the new people informing me that
they will begin reporting my arrears to the CB. Minnesota already does that and KS has had the case since 2005. Why after nine years do they
all the sudden fee lthis is necessary. So now I will have a double mark against me for the same debt. By the way,my entire case is an arrears case.