Author Topic: New CS Guidelines - for divorces final prior to April 1st as well?  (Read 6716 times)

FatherOfMyKids1

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Hi,
My divorce was final on February 13, 2012 when orders were finalized and signed.  I always assumed that when April 1st came around that new child support would be calculated using the new rules and dollar figures.   But, one attorney seemed to think that Judge would not automatically put our case into the new guidelines.  Our family is "shared residency" and I can make a great case to get off that 80/20 rules (using the committee's own words that it was "flawed"..), and use the shared expenses, or not shared expenses + with or without clothing.

Anyone else heard about this or have experience in the past about who gets into the new or who stays with the old?

thanks!

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Re: New CS Guidelines - for divorces final prior to April 1st as well?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 10:33:28 AM »
Thank you for your question.  My understanding of the new administrative order, and the new guidelines is that it only applies prospectively.  This exact language is used somewhere (meeting minutes I believe).  What this means is that if your order is established or modified for other reasons, after April 1st, you would use the new guidelines.  The intent is to keep a flood of people from walking through the door asking to modify just because there are new guidelines out.  So, since your orders were apparently finalized (assuming child support was part of this) before April 1st, you will need to wait until there is a change of circumstances.  Of course change of circumstances can be many different things, so you could be creative about this just like attorneys are every day.

I really hope you get away from the 80/20 because it is a monster.  Many of the members here fought hard with the committee to ensure the 80/20 was removed and well noted that it was flawed, wrong, incorrect, unsubstantiated, etc.  Now, I'm not sure you'll get a judge to change your order just because the committee was wrong for 4 years.  But, if your income has changed, if her income has changed, if there are additional costs on your end, if she's not paying something, etc. those are all reasons to review your CS order.  I would start building a strong case right now.  Don't file on April 1st because it looks rather obvious, but maybe in May or something.

If you haven't already, try the new 2012 child support calculator provided on this site.  See how much it helps you and let us all know what you think.  We need to understand if the new figures seem correct, or are they still high, or are they low?  How much did the new method help your case and do you think it will influence the opposing side by removing financial motives?

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Re: New CS Guidelines - for divorces final prior to April 1st as well?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 01:05:45 PM »
Thanks for the help.
I am going to reply again for others reading this forum to give payors some help and perhaps some inspiration if they have similar issues. 

My case involves 2 kids ages 2 and 6.  "Shared Residency", and "Joint Custody" as agreed by mother and father (me).  We live in the same small town in western Kansas.  Kids are 1 week with her, 1 week with me.  We live 3 miles apart.

Just after divorce file in Jan 2011, attorney told me that he made a great "deal" for me of $1500 combined Maint and CS for temporary.  At the time, I did not know anything about how this stuff was calculated - using 80/20 rule is what he was doing.

Jump to final divorce hearing which was supposed to be last Sept 2011.  At an Aug 2011 hearing, after all discovery and just before the pre-trial, Judge calculated my CS at $300 and Maint at $500.  CS was based on $70,000 income and $16,100 (min wage imputed).  If you run the 80/20 rule on this, it is impossible to get $300 CS for me.  Judge was doing "Shared Residency Rule" or taking the diff of our CS obligation and dividing by two.  Never to this day have attorneys or judge told us who is to pay Direct Expenses. 

Why Judge calculated it that way is unknown, but my attorney did not suggest it.  My attorney didn't care to find out why or ask.  Jump to Jan 2012, night prior to hearing, my attorney had the gal to suggest my Maint should be $950 and CS $700.  I told him to "get lost" and put Maint at $500 like Judge did.  Her income went up to $22,880 and mine to $73,000 (so very similar). 

My attorney and I argued night prior and during hearing and I never agreed to his $700 CS.  But, in court on final hearing, my attorney presented CS $700 and Maint $500 and ex-wife agreed.  Judge did not make a ruling because we agreed.  Now I am going for "Motion for Reconsideration"   It has to be done 28 days after signed date or divorce decreee (that puts me at this coming week in March 2012 to get the motion in).   I am going for April 1 guidelines with Shared Residency and not sharing clothing; or I will go with me paying Direct Expenses (because I have paid 90% of them and no reimbursement for over a year) and staying on the old guidelines and she will then pay me CS.  Get this:  I keep kids 60% of the time and 2 year old 85% of the time during ex's work day and my work day.  Essentially, my home is a Day Care and I see kids all but every other weekend.  She sees them in the evening on her week of Residency and every other weekend.

I fired my attorney 2 days after hearing in January because I studied the CS guidelines, both old and new.  I "dove in" and learned it well.  I built two spreadsheets that calculate CS and read all the surveys, letter to the supreme court from the committee etc.  Now I have discovered that many payors out there are getting the shaft by some (not all) lazy attorneys who do not care and will not work.  One attorney told me that I should do another case for malpractice -- attorneys must do as we request even if it is wrong.  The funny thing, my attorney wrote and signed a letter stating how I disagreed and "ignored him" before and during the hearing.  Ignored him?  Bascially he signed and sealed my malpractice evidence against him.  What to gain from this:  always get things in writing, even when you are disagreeing with your attorney.
 
I will do a post after the Motion for Reconsideration.  Meanwhile, let me know your thoughts.  I am "Pro Se" and proud of it.  I am looking for some source of court room procedures, but I will go sit in the court house in Garden City to get used to how things work.

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Re: New CS Guidelines - for divorces final prior to April 1st as well?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 05:56:02 PM »
I think you are going about this situation correctly!  In fact, that similar to what I have done.  I got tired of the attorney run around and then hold the hand out for payment.  I learned by going to the court room and took notes.

Since I'm speaking to another Pro Se, let me throw this out there.
Read KSA chapter 60 for civil proceedures.
Read Local rules in your district
Read the supreme court rules for filing times and motions
Read caselaw and be ready to cite it off the top of your head and have a copy with you.  If you can show the supreme court has an opinion on a topic, a judge will already know that if he goes against it, it will be overturned in appeals.

The original shared custody rule is still in place and I think that's essentially what you should be asking for.  That method is the (A-B)/2 method.  If you want to argue that you provide all the direct expenses, you need to be ready with receipts and documents to show that you have and that you should get the direct expenses adjustment.  So normally it is (A-B)/2 + %DE.

I also think you technically have more custody than she does, and you should capitalize on it.  If you can document that you have the kids more than 50% anyway, then you are the primary custodian.  In which case, she would be paying you.