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lionheart73

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multiple children income tax considerations
« on: November 04, 2013, 11:36:32 AM »
I have a 17 year old and a 13 year old.  My ex claims the 13 year old and I claim the 17 year old.  I am seeing that I can get a credit for her claiming the 13 year old cause I have the higher income but I am confused.  The calculators I use do not allow me to show that she claims one and I claim the other so I don't know how I split that up and come up with the correct figure to put in the child income tax consideration portion of the child support worksheet.  We are representing ourselves and she is taking us back to court and I want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row.
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Re: multiple children income tax considerations
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 11:18:16 PM »
I'm not sure the guidelines have a line item for tax credit.  The way I've seen in done before is by submitting 2 separate sheets and then evaluating the tax benefit for each parent separately.  Usually the parent with the higher benefit is allowed to take the credit and the value of that is then divided equally among the parents.

To which credit are you referring?

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Re: multiple children income tax considerations
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2013, 12:20:13 PM »
The Kansas Child Support Guidelines do in fact have address income tax considerations.

These are easy to reference in Section IV.E.3. Child Support Adjustments, Income Tax Considerations (Line E.3), Page 20.

In a nutshell... it is presumed the parties will either alternate from year to year which of them takes the income tax deduction or they will split it evenly by agreement and follow through with the required IRS documentation. If an agreement is not reached between the parties and/or the party receiving Child Support does not provide the appropriate documentation the IRS requires a party to have when taking the deduction than the Court is not required to but may give a deduction to the Child Support payor on the Child Support worksheet to compensate for the difference.

I believe it is common for the deduction to be given which reduces the amount of Child Support due.

In your case it would be a good idea to decide which is more beneficial to you before proceeding .... continuing to peacefully agree with your x to take the Federal Child Tax Deduction and Credits on an alternating basis or to take a deduction credit from the Child Support payable each month and allow her to take the deduction every year. Consult with your tax advisor if you have one.


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Re: multiple children income tax considerations
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 02:30:54 PM »
Free calculator provided on this website is of no help.

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Re: multiple children income tax considerations
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2014, 11:26:46 PM »
Very true zkrauze.  The calculator provided for free here calculates basic child support and doesn't really focus on the adjustments that seem to be done differently by different people.  Do you feel like this is a feature of the calculator that you would actually use?  I'll just throw that question out there for everyone.  We can request the feature if there's enough support for it.

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Re: multiple children income tax considerations
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 08:13:59 PM »
dear zkrause:
Warning on App. V Tax Considerations.  First, it doesn't work very well.  My interpretation is that if the parents alternate, everybody goes home.  However, you have the right idea that you should be reimbursed because Mother is getting a tax break from the 13 year old but you could take better advantage of that tax break.
Your immediate problem is that the damage is done, presumably through a court order or an agreement of the parties.  Generally speaking, the Court will not allow only a change based on 1 factor such as the tax issue but will want to look at everything such as current ages of children.
However, right now the 17 year old no longer qualifies for the child tax credit which is worth $1,000.00 a year.  Be patient and let that child get a little bit older until only the 13 year old is left on your child support.  Then either go to court or otherwise demand that either you get the 13 year old's personal exemption and child tax credit or Mother pays you the child support penalty set out in Appendix V of the Guidelines.  The good news is that the Guidelines penalty if she doesn't give you these tax considerations is based on your loss in not having them times your percentage of child support income to the combined child support income.  For example, if you are in the 25% federal income tax bracket, the child's exemption is worth $329.17/month times 25% or $82.29/month.  Throw in the child tax credit of $83.33/month/child and your tax loss is $82.29 plus $83.33 or $165.62.  If your income is 4 times as much as her, then multiply the $165.62 by 80.00% and you get a $132.50 reduction on your child support IF SHE KEEPS THE PERSONAL EXEMPTION AND CHILD TAX CREDIT and all by following the Guidelines (and ignoring the Kansas income taxes).
There are 2 problems.  First, your child support should be reduced by 1/2 when the 17 year old falls off the child support requirement.  However, the Guidelines are so constructed that a new child support worksheet going from a 2 child family to a 1 child family reduces child support by about 65% rather than 50%.
Second, what do you do when Mother says that you get the child's tax considerations.  First, congratulations and second, how much more child support will you have to pay her because you are saving $165.62 in taxes?  The Guidelines are silent about that.
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