Author Topic: Barton, Ellsworth, Rice, Russell & Stafford Counties Custody Guidelines  (Read 11110 times)

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The guidelines on the Rice county website still actually use the term "visitation" even though, there has been an effort to replace "visitation" with "parenting time" because it sends the wrong message.

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Re: Barton, Ellsworth, Rice, Russell & Stafford Counties Custody Guidelines
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 04:27:32 PM »
They can call it a rainbow, but the fact is that 3 hours even beginning an hour after school dismissal and only lasting just after dinner is pathetic and sad. It screams VISITATION and MEANINGLESS. I understand that the wording is an important starting point, but such is only the thin layer of paint on the gaming pawns our children have become. Dads must take charge of all he can and terminology is the first. As is said for taking the curve on the motorcycle, "you go where you look, so look where you want to go!" I have NEVER allowed anyone that I can affect call it visitation! Kids visit the library or the dentist not their father and it is not MY HOME. My children come home as much as possible and go stay with their mother some as well during which I anxiously await their return! It is important that they understand these things of their father. 

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Re: Barton, Ellsworth, Rice, Russell & Stafford Counties Custody Guidelines
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 06:29:02 PM »
Thank you for your input.  Most appreciated!  I know it's a minor language issue to some, but the difference between "visitation" and "parenting time" is black or white to me.  This needs to change statewide.  A letter should be drafted informing the committees involved in these counties that "visitation" is no longer the appropriate word in the state of Kansas.  State guidelines now use "parenting time" and so should any guidelines published by individual counties.

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Re: Barton, Ellsworth, Rice, Russell & Stafford Counties Custody Guidelines
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 11:38:36 PM »
Thank you so much for posting these. Our (very poorly written and sloppily assembled) divorce states that parenting time should follow these guidelines. That was in 2008 and we have only just now found these online. So thank you. These past three years we have been going by what the custodial parent says. In the summers, we have the children for extended periods of time and the custodial parent has still been paid all of the support with no reimbursement. That said, how would it work if there is a garnishment in place?  We got one month behind in December 2011  and a garnishment was placed in January 2012. So, with that in place, how do we get the 2/3 of the month back for July as in the example? Do we need to open a case with KPC so the custodial parent can send payment back to us?  I realize anything said here is not the law, but I don't even know where to start guessing or what to ask for.  Thank you so much, again!

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Re: Barton, Ellsworth, Rice, Russell & Stafford Counties Custody Guidelines
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 12:08:53 AM »
Also, we have an interesting circumstance... a parent's birthday falls on Christmas eve. Obviously, right in the middle of the Christmas holiday designation. THe guidelines say that parents should have the children for all day on the parent's birthday every year. That seems unfair to the parent who is having the child for the holiday... but also unfair to the parent whose birthday falls on the holiday.

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I am wondering if there is something that is missing in Guideline #6 a) Two non-consecutive three week periods to be determined by May 1st of each year. The first three week period to start one week after the end of school and the second three week period to end no later than one week before the beginning of school.

So the second three week period is flexible and can be any time as long as it doesn't encroach on the week before school starts.  But does the first three week period HAVE to start exactly one week after school ends?

The first line says "to be determined by May 1" so that also tells me these are flexible dates. So, do we HAVE to get the kids one week after school is out or did it mean to say "no sooner than one week after school is out?"

Thoughts?  Has anyone else had to have this more clearly defined?

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Instead of looking at the weekly number, maybe it would be more appropriate to consider the amount of time (in weeks) that you have the children per year as opposed to the custodial parent.  In this case, since you have 6 additional weeks, this may be enough to justify changing the custodial parent from mom to dad.  In which case mom would now pay dad child support.

As a side note - it's rather interesting how the child support formula works that since parenting time isn't defined, if one parent have 51% of the time, they can be deemed the custodial parent and receive child support.  So a $600/mo payment in child support can change from dad paying to mom paying simply by altering the parenting schedule by a few weeks :)  Personally, I think this is a complete failure of the guidelines and makes no sense at all.